Saturday, September 25, 2010

Philosophy of Religion -- Week 3

A common claim among the so-called “New Atheists” is the suggestion that we give religion an intellectual pass, compared to the level of scrutiny that we give scientific, moral, or political claims. So, particularly when people have divergent religious views, we often say (according to this “New Atheist” reading), “Ok, that’s fine. You believe what you wish. I won’t push you on it, because it’s a religious belief.”

But on the other side, we also seem to subject religious views, perhaps, to very _stringent_ standards, compared to those we deploy the majority of the time, in everyday experience. So, for example, to the claim, “I believe in God and the after-life,” the often-heard response is “Give me proof, or else you’re not allowed to say/believe that.” Of course, we can and should immediately ask: what kind of proof would be satisfactory in this case? A rational proof, like those found in geometry? Exhibiting God to the skeptic?

The fact is, many of our beliefs, beliefs that we most often give the benefit of the doubt—or, more technically, would affirm as justified for those who hold them—seem to require no such proof.

Here’s an example, an old favorite of mine: “My wife loves me.” Here’s a possible response: “I’m not convinced that you’re right just on the face of it. So I demand a proof to ascertain whether your claim is justified or not.” What would be the right response to this challenge? Maybe I should give some reasons/warrants for my claim: “She married me.” “She says so.” “She makes me my favorite cake.” Etc. But how many warrants should I produce to justify my belief?

The problem, of course, is that there are many such claims for which there is no assigned number or magnitude of warrant(s) that would seal the deal—and a logical, well-constructed proof won’t necessary do the job either. And yet, despite this inscrutability, under given conditions (that the claimant does in fact have a wife, is not insane, and a reasonable collection of others), we will affirm that the person making this claim is in fact justified in making it—and even that he is justified in making it with significant conviction. And not just out of politeness: you would likely affirm it yourself, in other, non-fraught situations. “Yes,” you might very well say later on, feeling completely comfortable doing so, in responding to someone who asks, “his wife loves him.” And not just out of intellectual laziness: a fairly vigorous skeptic in this case might search for some disconfirming information (e.g., the wife has been cheating) and finding none, he would likely at least tolerate the belief, or, again, affirm that it is in fact justified.

Assuming that this example is solid enough (which is certainly open to question), why might we be prevented from giving this degree of credence to religious beliefs (as opposed to subjecting them the standards of scientific/geometrical proof and certainty)? Maybe both positions are potentially true: we are too tolerant of religion—i.e., we often excuse it from scrutiny—but also, if/when we do scrutinize it, we often demand too much of it, compared to other beliefs.

The trick here, of course, is whether the comparison with other, “normal” beliefs holds up, or whether it breaks down because of that little bit of folk-y philosophical wisdom: the bigger the claim, the better the proof that’s necessary. But scrutinizing that idea is for another day…except to say it’s _really_ important to the guy in Queens whether his wife loves him!

11 comments:

  1. To my mind, proving whether or not God or effective equivalents exists is irrelevant to deciding whether religion itself is justified. After all, even on a personal level, religion has very little to do with the cosmology of the universe, and those who focus too heavily on this aspect often miss the purpose that religion seems to be intended to fulfill. That is, I would say that on its most personal level, religion is the cultivation of faith and piety. And yes, I use the latter word exactly because Euphythro makes it so loaded. It would seem that any major world religion boils down to some kind of transcendence theory, that something exists outside the world of experience. Since we cannot experience it, of course we can't prove it with systems (sciences if you will) designed to understand the world of experience. And, if those sciences satisfy us, then we have no need for religion. A happy atheist is as fulfilled as a happy guru in my experience (and I feel like I've more or less met examples of both in my life). However, for some of us (myself included at least to some degree), the world of experience is not fully satisfying. For we who cannot accept that there is nothing else to this universe, religion becomes an answer, or rather a method to coping. That coping mechanism is faith; we believe something because believing it is good for us. And so long as we are justified in believing it (and it seems that we are as much as somebody not believing in it is), then how can it be wrong?

    In other words, it is irrelevant as to what constitutes God's body (metaphysical questions concerning where in the universe God could exist, or even if his body is the universe). What is important to the religious individual is that she feels that there is some transcendent power that is loving and compassionate.

    In my personal case, I like the idea of Tao (or the Way) for a very different reason; for me, it doesn't matter whether the universe is loving so long as its principled. Taoism for me boils down to the belief that the universe operates according to simple, easy-to-understand principles which all things, living or otherwise, abide by. If we live as harmoniously with these principles, we achieve success. When we struggle against them, we are like fish swimming upstream (remember: salmon may swim upstream to lay their eggs, but then they immediately die; food for thought). Maybe I'm just attracted to a lifestyle which encourages easy-goingness, or a sense of humor (much of Taoist wisdom is written as humorous anecdotes). Like I said in class, Taoism has taught me to look at life from the same perspective as one takes when watching a comedy; with enough distance to realize how comic all of our problems are, especially my own. And if that isn't a justified belief according to New Atheists, then I don't care to partake in one that is and you can't make me. :)

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  2. To my mind, proving whether or not God or effective equivalents exists is irrelevant to deciding whether religion itself is justified. After all, even on a personal level, religion has very little to do with the cosmology of the universe, and those who focus too heavily on this aspect often miss the purpose that religion seems to be intended to fulfill. That is, I would say that on its most personal level, religion is the cultivation of faith and piety. And yes, I use the latter word exactly because Euphythro makes it so loaded. It would seem that any major world religion boils down to some kind of transcendence theory, that something exists outside the world of experience. Since we cannot experience it, of course we can't prove it with systems (sciences if you will) designed to understand the world of experience. And, if those sciences satisfy us, then we have no need for religion. A happy atheist is as fulfilled as a happy guru in my experience (and I feel like I've more or less met examples of both in my life). However, for some of us (myself included at least to some degree), the world of experience is not fully satisfying. For we who cannot accept that there is nothing else to this universe, religion becomes an answer, or rather a method to coping. That coping mechanism is faith; we believe something because believing it is good for us. And so long as we are justified in believing it (and it seems that we are as much as somebody not believing in it is), then how can it be wrong?

    In my personal case, I like the idea of Tao (or the Way) for a very different reason; for me, it doesn't matter whether the universe is loving so long as its principled. Taoism for me boils down to the belief that the universe operates according to simple, easy-to-understand principles which all things, living or otherwise, abide by. If we live as harmoniously with these principles, we achieve success. When we struggle against them, we are like fish swimming upstream (remember: salmon may swim upstream to lay their eggs, but then they immediately die; food for thought). Maybe I'm just attracted to a lifestyle which encourages easy-goingness, or a sense of humor (much of Taoist wisdom is written as humorous anecdotes). Like I said in class, Taoism has taught me to look at life from the same perspective as one takes when watching a comedy; with enough distance to realize how comic all of our problems are, especially my own. And if that isn't a justified belief according to New Atheists, then I don't care to partake in one that is and you can't make me. :)

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  3. I agree that when we talk about religion today we tend to run into a couple of roadblocks: those who give religion an 'intellectual pass' and those who scrutinize religion more closely than they might any other philosophical idea.

    Both of these are problematic for me. If we give religion an intellectual pass aren't we not giving it the recognition it needs? I think I would personally be insulted if someone gave me an intellectual pass. It would be like saying, "well you're religious so you can go and believe in flying goats for all I care!"

    However, we know from studying philosophy that MANY well-known philosophical beliefs have faults and fallacies that are explored but generally not pushed to the extent that most religious beliefs are.

    As religious philosophers we have to try to learn where that balance is and to try to preserve it when we discuss religion.

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  4. Alas, the topic of Love has risen! Love, I am not sure (considering its fickle nature) is an appropriate correlation here but, as Love and God are both invisible entities, I suppose it is at least a comparable example! Still there remains an issue with the claim: "Just as you cannot prove someone loves you, you cannot prove there is God, in yet, Love still exists, thus the possibility of God's existence also stands."

    Indeed we have heard, and perhaps have groaned over, that Love is merely a chemical reaction— fueled by our most primal attractions and procreative instincts combined with the production of pleasure hormones and mammalian drive...In yet Love is something (when you experience it) that is undeniable and feels ever-present. Just as any emotion has it, it can only be known by the experiencer. Proof, in this case, lies strictly within the experience itself.

    The question then becomes, is experience a valid source of proof??

    If a religious believer claims that he or she has EXPERIENCED God, then perhaps it can be as regarded as an irrefutable response, just as when someone claims they Love someone, for these things cannot be proved or refuted.

    "God" and Love share another commonality here that—unless experienced*, there is no proof for its existence, that is if we are considering experience a valid source of evidence!

    Still I find Love and insufficient analogy for such a larger theory, or any emotion for that matter! Love..such a fickle and undependable emotion, one that alone can be as equally philosophized and questioned as the theory for the existence of God!


    *(though belief in God is also experienced by many, I am speaking strictly of the experience OF GOD itself.)

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  5. "After all, even on a personal level, religion has very little to do with the cosmology of the universe, and those who focus too heavily on this aspect often miss the purpose that religion seems to be intended to fulfill. That is, I would say that on its most personal level, religion is the cultivation of faith and piety"

    See if this was really true about religion I don't think it would be such a difficult topic for people to discuss. The fact is that people believe what they believe and most of the time to the point where they have to shove it down other people's throats and by saying "I'm right, my beliefs are right and everyone else is WRONG" (religious exclusivists) and it goes so far into the opposite direction of what I think religion should be - that is encouraging people to come together, live in the positive and not the negative, be forgiving and gracious - 'toward the greater good', etc. I think if we really could change gears from focusing on who's god is the proper god and who's beliefs are right and who's are wrong (more importantly trying to prove each other wrong) - and respect each other's beliefs then religion on the whole would be a lot more beneficial and in touch with what I at least think it's really supposed to do which is help people to act morally and tolerate each other rather than turn people against each other.

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  6. Also, with concerns to the "My wife loves me" claim, it seems to me that one can be justified in believing this claim in a similar way to being justified in believing in god. However, I have no idea what sort of evidence god leaves anyone to feel justified in their belief of him. I guess this means walking a fine line between faith and evidence, but I think that it is more problematic for a belief in love of god, for instance, than for love of your wife, since you are not separated by any sort of transcendent reality.

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  7. I completely agree with Caroline. I feel like there is no claim that really parallels that of the existence of God in the sheer impossibility of ever proving it. You can gain assurance from your wife that she loves you by simply asking since she's right there to ask. No matter what question you pose to God, he will never answer in a way that is as substantial.

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  8. Or, alternatively, He answers every second of every day. Since God is omnipresent, it could be said that His body is the universe itself. So merely by existing, he proves himself. I'm not necessarily sympathetic to that argument, I'm merely pointing out that to a theist, every time something good happens to them, they might thank God. The same way that every time your wife smiles at you, you believe she loves you. And you go on believing things until you have evidence to contradict them. You might stop believing your wife loves you if you found out she's having an affair. However, it's much harder to find disproving evidence of God. Atheists, I think, would claim that this is simply because it's harder to prove a negative than a positive, but they don't necessarily have any less of the burden-of-proof than theists.

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  9. Of course faith is something that offers no proof, that is exactly why it's faith. Faith is something that is vital because we need to believe that there is something after this awful life. Now I'm not suggesting heaven, I'm merely suggesting that there is something more...

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  10. "Why might we be prevented from giving this degree of credence to religious beliefs (as opposed to subjecting them the standards of scientific/geometrical proof and certainty)? Maybe both positions are potentially true: we are too tolerant of religion—i.e., we often excuse it from scrutiny—but also, if/when we do scrutinize it, we often demand too much of it, compared to other beliefs."


    I think, caroline pointed out, there is no denying the overbearing and obvious differences within the claims "My wife loves me," and "God loves me,"

    for 1. We can see your wife. We can shake her hand. We can (unless you want to play the role of the extreme skeptic) be positive in her existence.

    We cannot say the same for God. I think that if we were to consider justifying a claim such as "X loves me," we must not skip the first step, which is, affirming positively that X exists.
    The steps for attempting to justify a claim like this may look like this.
    1. X exists
    2. X feels love for others.
    3. X loves me

    For your wife, we would be justified in affirming these three things. For God/ a Creator I am not sure we can affirm any of these things.

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  11. Also, as I was arguing on the Hitchens post, I certainly believe we are too tolerant religion, often excusing it from complete rationality all together and "letting it slide" so to speak. It would be preposterous to claim "A Man-Eating Tomato loves me." But as far as we know, in terms of existence, we can ascribe the same skepticism to God as this man-eating tomato. In yet, since the name is "God," we shy away from the rational that initially said "Psh, Yeah right!"even though, we are just as positive about God as this man-eating tomato. I believe that we should ascribe significantly more scrutiny in claims concerning God, then we do in justifiable beliefs just as "I love my wife," in which we at least know your wife *exists.

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